Talk Show Memories

With the recent passing of the Tonight Show torch from Jay Leno to Conan O'Brien, I have been thinking about talk shows in general, especially those I grew up with. For years Leno and Letterman have been running pretty much neck and neck, and I liked both. But there will never be another Johnny Carson. Nor will there be another Steve Allen.

Johnny Carson did it for thirty years and was the undisputed king of late night. Several contenders tried to compete but ended up falling by the wayside (I did enjoy Dick Cavett at times though). Not only was he the best at what he did, but the caliber of celebrities from those days is a thing of the past. I was recently watching old episodes and clips from those days on YouTube, and enjoyed nostalgic reminders of the old greats like Jack Benny, George Burns, Bob Hope, Dean Martin, George Gobel, Don Rickles, Rodney Dangerfield, and so many others. They just don't make them like that any more.

In addition to the guests, I liked his style of humor, as seen in sketches like the Tea Time Movie with Art Fern, and Carnac the Magnificent. He had a playful style and a mischievous streak that allowed him to get away with comments like when he told Dolly Parton, "I have certain guidelines, but I would give about a year's pay to peek under there." But he also was a great host, and knew how to put his guests at ease and allowed them to shine without needing to top them. Many current big names got their start on his show.

Before Carson inherited it, the Tonight Show was created by Steve Allen. Most of the usual trappings that are associated with talk shows were invented by him, such as the opening monologue, interviews at the desk, banter with the band leader, audience participation segments, and so forth. Even bits where they take the camera outside and interact with people on the street, that David Letterman does so well now, were first done by Steve Allen way back then.

I was only a year old when Steve Allen quit the Tonight Show so I never saw it, but I do remember him well from a daytime talk show he did in the late '60s. It was that show that first introduced me to him, and I credit it with having a permanent influence on my own style of humor. His quips and ad lib responses to ordinary questions still reside in my memory and I find his unique style of word play leaping out unexpectedly on numerous occasions. To this day I still use his classic responses: "Good to see you!" - "Thank you, it's good to be seen." Or, "Great having you here" - "Thanks, it's great being had here."

A psychologist on his show once said that the only two fears a child is naturally born with are fear of loud noises and fear of falling. Steve quipped, "I've always been afraid of making a loud noise while falling."

It wasn't until years later that I learned how much influence he had on the whole genre of TV talk shows. Nearly everything that they do today was done by him originally. He even had a character called The Question Man, who gave the answer to a question first and then the question, which Carson adapted in his Carnac routine. And he was innovative and original, never satisfied with doing the same thing over and over.

Many people have commented that David Letterman's show was the closest in style to Steve Allen's old show (at least back when he was on NBC), and Letterman himself has credited Allen with being a big influence. His older "stunt" oriented bits (like the Velcro suit and the Alka-Seltzer suit) and things like Stupid Pet Tricks and its spin-off, Stupid Human Tricks, hearkened back to the old Steve Allen shows. In addition, Johnny Carson made it known that Letterman would have been his choice to replace him, despite NBC's choice of Leno. He drove that point home by making a couple of brief appearances on Letterman after his retirement, but none on Leno.

Jay Leno is a good stand up comic, and I've enjoyed both him and Letterman off and on over the years. But both of them have seemed more "conventional" in recent years. Conan O'Brien took some getting used to at first, but he is more apt to break with convention, and I find him quite funny now. Nevertheless, I don't know how well he'll do against Letterman.

Craig Ferguson, who comes on after Letterman, is probably the most innovative of the current bunch. He's dispensed with many of the formulaic aspects - no "banter" with announcer or bandleader (in fact, no band), and his monologue is more improvised, going beyond the "what's in the news" formula that all the others use. And it's not limited to just the first segment of the show, either. He seems to enjoy tweaking the usual format, such as having a cold opening segment followed by a commercial break and then the opening titles. His humor is totally off the wall too, and I love his Scottish accent.

I almost feel sorry for Jimmy Fallon, who's opposite Craig Ferguson, in Conan's old slot. Although he's a likeable enough guy, he seems nervous and not well suited to monologues or interviewing. But he's had some good guests and may grow into it. Conan was very awkward at first, too.

But fortunately these days I can catch all the shows on line, so I don't really have to choose. And that's good because it's silly to say, "unless we're number one there's no point in doing it at all." Where does it say there can only be one late night talk show?

In the grand scheme of things it makes no difference at all, of course. They're just TV shows. But I do have many fond memories of Allen and Carson, and I hope their memories are preserved and their standards upheld in whatever shows continue to be broadcast.